Paul Krugman on the Economy
Charlie Rose has had one notable economist on his show after another. Today he had two, one of them Paul Krugman who won the Nobel Prize in Economics this year.
He says he was made a Nobel Laureate because he presented a view of world trade that hadn’t previous been explored. Now it seems like common sense but it wasn’t at the time. Our basic view used to be that countries trade because they are different. But that’s no longer true - trade goes on between countries who seem to be very similar so it becomes difficult to come up with a fundamental reason why some people should be making some products and not others. Krugman put together the New Trade Theory which talks about how small, accidental advantages get built into larger advantages which persist over time. For instance, all carpet production used to be located around Dalton, Georgia. This traces back to a teenage girl who made a tufted bedspread as a wedding gift in 1895. It seems obvious now, but this was a completely new realization at the time.
As far as the current economic situation, he agrees the government had no choice. But Krugman thinks the Treasury made a really bad mistake by not rescuing Lehman Brothers. He thinks they could have found a way to save it and most of his fellow Economists were certain they would find a way. It was completely surprising that they decided to let it go. The reason this is so devastating is that when Lehman was allowed to fail, all confidence disappeared from the system. On the other hand, it created the political conditions for a more comprehensive solution.
Krugman says the right answer was to recapitalize the system but he hasn’t liked Henry Paulson’s handling of this. The Treasury was not going to recapitalize the system at first. They were going to buy the assets and troubled mortgages (the toxic waste) off of the institutions and this didn’t make any sense. They couldn’t make a good case for how this would work and it cost them time. Paulson wasted three weeks on this decision before he finally changes his mind. The wait created an even greater lack of confidence.
Krugman was frustrated with Bernanke because he didn’t offer any counter-weight to Paulson’s misguided strategy on the bail out in the beginning. He sounded more like Paulson’s “yes boss”. Chris Dodd, Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, came out very quickly with a proposal for turning it into a capital injection, and Bernanke said “no, we don’t need to do that”, which couldn’t have been what he believed was right. Barney Frank, in the House of Representatives, had a similar plan.
We learned from the Japanese experience in the ’90s that the thing to do is provide capital injections to the bank early. Don’t worry too much about inflation. Worry about that later. The higher inflation rate allows for more wiggle room.
Krugman feels confident about Obama as President because he says “off-script” you can tell he knows what he’s talking about. He’s been cautious, but Krugman thinks he’s had to be cautious because the economic situation is extremely complicated and very difficult to explain. He assures us we can expect good stuff if he’s elected.
Krugman agrees that we need an additional stimulus package on top of the bailout and thinks there will be two: A bi-partisan stimulus Nov. 5; and then another, bigger one after the change of Presidency. Krugman’s opinion is that tax cuts and rebates should not be the core of this stimulus package. When Bush did this, people didn’t spend the money and we need people to spend the money.
He warns that the recession will likely last a long while and that it will be deep (if not a depression). The last recession was officially only 8 months long but it actually took 2 1/2 years for the labor market to recover. High unemployment, which started in 2001, did not improve until the summer of 2003. White House fact sheets on the economy always talk about jobs gained since 2003. But the fact is, jobs were significantly down from 2001 - 2003. They never bother to mention the 2 1/2 year recession prior to 2003 when making that statement.
The nature of recessions has changed. We used to have recessions because there was inflation and the Fed raised interest rates which created a housing crashed. They would let the rates come down again and the housing market stabilized. This time, the recession has been created because a private sector has had irrational exuberance. The bubble has burst and it’s much more difficult to get the economy to move again after a bubble burst than it is in an old-fashioned recession. It’s going to take a while.
Krugman says we had something we called capitalism from the 1930s to about 1980 which was a fairly heavily regulated system. The rich were taxed fairly high, but it was still a market economy. Then came the Regan era which was the age of deregulation. We are probably going to have to go back to the way things were from 19390s to 1980. Krugman says that really not such a terrible thing.
Krugman thinks that if Obama wins the presidency, he needs to call for something like a new, New Deal. Not everything has been bad these past couple of decades but we lost sight of having a society that works for everybody. We lost sight of a society that provides some basic security and insurance against chaos in the financial markets. We need to recapture some of those values that made us successful.
